I have to agree I find certain aspects of soccer distasteful, the rise to prominence of diving and professional fouls is disappointing - hopefully one day they'll try to do away with it.
Nevertheless, soccer is still better than any other football code out there, and really the only one justified in using the term football.
I completely disagree the skill level has dropped, and there's no way the skills are inferior to hockey.
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And now to address the skill issues between Hockey and Soccer.
1. The field size is about the same
2. The goal size is about the same (I think soccer is a little wider but not by much)
3. There are the same number of players on the field
4. The rules are the same except for
a). In soccer, the goalkeeper can handle the ball with one or both hands and throw it forwards, in hockey the goalkeeper can only touch the ball with one hand and then only as a blocking mechanism and cannot propel the ball forward or in any direction.
b) In hockey if the ball gets caught in the goalkeepers leg pads or any other player gear it is a penalty
c) the ball cannot be hit in a manner which raises the ball off the ground and is termed a dangerous ball (although there is a degree of lenience in this)
d) in penalty corners, in soccer the ball is thrown from the corner to team members around the shooting circle who then attempt to either head or kick the ball into the goal. In hockey, the ball is hit to team members around the shooting circle where it must be stopped dead before being struck towards goal by the hockey stick only.
5. In soccer the players (excluding goalkeeper) can handle the ball with either foot or chest or head, in hockey the player (excluding goalkeeper) can handle the ball with the stick only, if it hits any part of their body it is a foul. The goalkeeper can stop the ball with any part of their body but can only propell it forward by kicking or hitting the ball with the stick.
6. Excluding the hockey stick, in soccer the players wear very similar equipment to hockey players with the exception of the goalkeepers. The soccer goal keeper wears a pair of light gloves, the hockey goalkeeper wears a face mask, chestplate, gloves, abdomen protector, leg pads (similar in style to batsmans pads in cricket), and kickers strapped to their boots.
7. A soccer ball is large and soft leather and somewhat the same size as a basketball, a hockey ball is about the same size as a cricket ball and extremely hard and heavy. A soccer ball has a relatively slow speed across the ground in comparison to a hockey ball which can be moving at the speed of tennis serve or a delivery by a fast bowler in cricket.
8. A soccer player uses both feet to propel the ball up the field in general, or can use their chests or head. A hockey player can only use the stick which is similar in shape to a golf club. The hook (hitting surface) is about 6-8 cms high and about 10-12 cms long. The front of the sticks hitting surface is flat, the reverse is rounded. You can only use the front of the stick to hit the ball.
9. Soccer players run up the field with a normal running gait, hockey players are bent over the ball and the upper body is turned somewhat to the right hand side when running with the shoulders virtually side on to the direction they are running. Soccer players have both arms available to them for fending off other players and for balance, hockey players have both hands on the hockey stick and are basically unprotected and easily unbalanced.
10. Due to the speed at which the hockey ball travels and the hardness of the ball, it is very easy to be injured when struck by the ball. Soccer players can get 'stung' by a particularly hard struck soccer ball but not to the point of breaking bones. Additionally, the added weapon that hockey players have (and use to great effect), the hockey stick, add to an inherent danger in the sport.
OK so they are the very, very basic differences. I know which one I would find easier to do and which one I find has a greater skill level. Kicking a large soft ball with my feet or hitting a small hard ball with a hooked stick and small hitting surface, your call.
1. The field size is about the same
2. The goal size is about the same (I think soccer is a little wider but not by much)
3. There are the same number of players on the field
4. The rules are the same except for
a). In soccer, the goalkeeper can handle the ball with one or both hands and throw it forwards, in hockey the goalkeeper can only touch the ball with one hand and then only as a blocking mechanism and cannot propel the ball forward or in any direction.
b) In hockey if the ball gets caught in the goalkeepers leg pads or any other player gear it is a penalty
c) the ball cannot be hit in a manner which raises the ball off the ground and is termed a dangerous ball (although there is a degree of lenience in this)
d) in penalty corners, in soccer the ball is thrown from the corner to team members around the shooting circle who then attempt to either head or kick the ball into the goal. In hockey, the ball is hit to team members around the shooting circle where it must be stopped dead before being struck towards goal by the hockey stick only.
5. In soccer the players (excluding goalkeeper) can handle the ball with either foot or chest or head, in hockey the player (excluding goalkeeper) can handle the ball with the stick only, if it hits any part of their body it is a foul. The goalkeeper can stop the ball with any part of their body but can only propell it forward by kicking or hitting the ball with the stick.
6. Excluding the hockey stick, in soccer the players wear very similar equipment to hockey players with the exception of the goalkeepers. The soccer goal keeper wears a pair of light gloves, the hockey goalkeeper wears a face mask, chestplate, gloves, abdomen protector, leg pads (similar in style to batsmans pads in cricket), and kickers strapped to their boots.
7. A soccer ball is large and soft leather and somewhat the same size as a basketball, a hockey ball is about the same size as a cricket ball and extremely hard and heavy. A soccer ball has a relatively slow speed across the ground in comparison to a hockey ball which can be moving at the speed of tennis serve or a delivery by a fast bowler in cricket.
8. A soccer player uses both feet to propel the ball up the field in general, or can use their chests or head. A hockey player can only use the stick which is similar in shape to a golf club. The hook (hitting surface) is about 6-8 cms high and about 10-12 cms long. The front of the sticks hitting surface is flat, the reverse is rounded. You can only use the front of the stick to hit the ball.
9. Soccer players run up the field with a normal running gait, hockey players are bent over the ball and the upper body is turned somewhat to the right hand side when running with the shoulders virtually side on to the direction they are running. Soccer players have both arms available to them for fending off other players and for balance, hockey players have both hands on the hockey stick and are basically unprotected and easily unbalanced.
10. Due to the speed at which the hockey ball travels and the hardness of the ball, it is very easy to be injured when struck by the ball. Soccer players can get 'stung' by a particularly hard struck soccer ball but not to the point of breaking bones. Additionally, the added weapon that hockey players have (and use to great effect), the hockey stick, add to an inherent danger in the sport.
OK so they are the very, very basic differences. I know which one I would find easier to do and which one I find has a greater skill level. Kicking a large soft ball with my feet or hitting a small hard ball with a hooked stick and small hitting surface, your call.
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Ok you've listed some differences in rules and equipment, but I don't really see what that has to do with skill.
A hockey ball can move faster, due to it's size and composition, and also the fact that players are given equipment to help propel it around. This makes the game more dangerous, sure - but once again what does that have to do with skill?
Hockey goalkeepers have a harder time keeping a clean sheet due to the speed and size of the ball, it doesn't mean they are more "skilful". (By the way hockey goals are 12 feet by 7 feet, while soccer goals are 24 feet by 8 feet - more than twice as big).
One reason why I don't believe the skill level to be higher in hockey is the money. Top soccer players earn over 6million Euro per year in salary alone (not counting bonuses). How much do the top Hockey players earn? (And for you yanks out there, Ice Hockey is not Hockey
)
With salaries like that for incentives, you are going to attract a lot of talent. Beckham doesn't get paid ridiculous sums of money because he can fall over and fool referees - he gets paid because he has the skills.
A hockey ball can move faster, due to it's size and composition, and also the fact that players are given equipment to help propel it around. This makes the game more dangerous, sure - but once again what does that have to do with skill?
Hockey goalkeepers have a harder time keeping a clean sheet due to the speed and size of the ball, it doesn't mean they are more "skilful". (By the way hockey goals are 12 feet by 7 feet, while soccer goals are 24 feet by 8 feet - more than twice as big).
You might have a point if the aim of soccer was to make contact with the soccer ball, however it's a little more complicated than that. Just like there is more to hockey than simply hitting the ball. Hell I played golf a lot in my younger years so I doubt I would have too many problems making contact with a hockey ball - but I have no doubts whatsoever though that I would suck at hockey.I know which one I would find easier to do and which one I find has a greater skill level. Kicking a large soft ball with my feet or hitting a small hard ball with a hooked stick and small hitting surface, your call.
One reason why I don't believe the skill level to be higher in hockey is the money. Top soccer players earn over 6million Euro per year in salary alone (not counting bonuses). How much do the top Hockey players earn? (And for you yanks out there, Ice Hockey is not Hockey
)With salaries like that for incentives, you are going to attract a lot of talent. Beckham doesn't get paid ridiculous sums of money because he can fall over and fool referees - he gets paid because he has the skills.
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I would find hockey to be easier because even though you are using a stick it is your hands that are being used.
Controlling a ball at full sprint is an art that many folks dont even realise exists. You watch a great player and you see how clse to their feet they keep the ball, jinking it round other players. Try it, you will find the ball going yards in front of you, you will find that you are running at half your normal speed. It's seriously not easy.
Watch Beckham cross in a ball from 30-40 yards outside the box and have it land to literally inch perfect in someones path or in that exact cubic inch in front of their head. Some of the stuff you see is simply outrageous. Ok he's a twunt, but he's maybe the best passer in the game. Shame he can't shoot >.< People focus on his free-kicks, which godly tho they are, are not his finest talent.
Gerard can also show sublime perfection by threading a ball through half the opposition to the feet of someone who wasnt even in the penalty area when Gerard first hit the ball.
Thats just England passing for you and we suck at it, take a look at the best. Its pass play and movement, not shooting, where the true game lies.
But a good shooter is also a joy, Lampard, Henri.... Man! Thierry Henri! I think he's past his best but when he was on fire a year or two back he was the total footballer. Skill and intelligence beyond compare.
Etc etc etc... no skill my arse =P
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Controlling a ball at full sprint is an art that many folks dont even realise exists. You watch a great player and you see how clse to their feet they keep the ball, jinking it round other players. Try it, you will find the ball going yards in front of you, you will find that you are running at half your normal speed. It's seriously not easy.
Watch Beckham cross in a ball from 30-40 yards outside the box and have it land to literally inch perfect in someones path or in that exact cubic inch in front of their head. Some of the stuff you see is simply outrageous. Ok he's a twunt, but he's maybe the best passer in the game. Shame he can't shoot >.< People focus on his free-kicks, which godly tho they are, are not his finest talent.
Gerard can also show sublime perfection by threading a ball through half the opposition to the feet of someone who wasnt even in the penalty area when Gerard first hit the ball.
Thats just England passing for you and we suck at it, take a look at the best. Its pass play and movement, not shooting, where the true game lies.
But a good shooter is also a joy, Lampard, Henri.... Man! Thierry Henri! I think he's past his best but when he was on fire a year or two back he was the total footballer. Skill and intelligence beyond compare.
Etc etc etc... no skill my arse =P
MeloxXx
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They are all panzies skilled or not. Ky also
BTW weo the only reason there is so much money involved in any sport is the marketing to sponsors. It has nothing to do with one sport requiring more skill than another. This would likely focus the attention of skilled players but once again has nothing to do with the skill required for the sport.
They are all panzies skilled or not. Ky also
BTW weo the only reason there is so much money involved in any sport is the marketing to sponsors. It has nothing to do with one sport requiring more skill than another. This would likely focus the attention of skilled players but once again has nothing to do with the skill required for the sport.
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Soccer
Soccer is an abbreviation for Association Football. The Football Association was formed in London in October 1863 when representatives of eleven clubs and schools met in an attempt to standardize the rules of the game. One of the rules prohibited the carrying of the ball, a rule that would lead to the Rugby-oriented clubs leaving the Association several months later. The name Association Football was
coined to distinguish it from Rugby.
By 1889, the abbreviation socca' was in use, and the spelling soccer had made its appearance by 1895."
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http://www.wordorigins.org/wordors.htm
Soccer
Soccer is an abbreviation for Association Football. The Football Association was formed in London in October 1863 when representatives of eleven clubs and schools met in an attempt to standardize the rules of the game. One of the rules prohibited the carrying of the ball, a rule that would lead to the Rugby-oriented clubs leaving the Association several months later. The name Association Football was
coined to distinguish it from Rugby.
By 1889, the abbreviation socca' was in use, and the spelling soccer had made its appearance by 1895."
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