Wreckers

i was just looking at some gaming news..and quite frankly this kinda shocked me. Now it is secondhand news...but still..the ones that found out and reported on it contacted sony..and they made no comment....that means if it's bad news like this and no comment..it's usally probably true..no clue how they could keep it truely enforced tough.

I swear me buying a PS3 is looking more and more like i won't, even though i love playing Kingdom Hearts and some of the FF games.

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/n ... ionId=1006

Wow, disgusting. Death's too good for them.

Fuck sony, buy the Nintendo Wii or (god forbid) the X-Box. Only thing playstations ever had going for them was the Final Fantasy games anyway, and since Square's back in bed with Nintendo the PS is officially worthless.

even 189$ for a PS2 is a little too expensive for a DVD player these days When they are 100$ it will be a deal.

Don't do it maz. Buy a Wii

I must admit I have been intrigued by the Wii, the Tennis game sounds kinda fun, though I will have to play with windows close lest the neighbours see me *working on my swing*

MeloxXx

Heh too many evil dead games on the PS2 I already have one.

PS2 is currently $129 in the states. Well at least the state I live in. So it's getting close to that $100 price Mazia

heh - will 100$ ausi anyways

129 USD = 172 AUD :p

The whole idea isn't a terrible one actually. The second-hand market is completely destroying our chances of fair prices on new games. This move would hamper the second-hand stuff and at least function as a bumper against increasing first-buy prices.
Not that I'm not a fan of buying semi used crap for shit cheap, but when it becomes a regular trade-trick, the price difference between second-hand and first-hand items will decrease, simply because vendors will try to exploit the second-hand goods. But this doesn't increase income for the game-designers, which in turn means that we must settle for games that have to expect lower sales numbers, which either bumps the prices up or the quality down.

Yes well done for noticing that Vex.

Hmm you also forgot to mention that with telstra doing DL able movies, they will destroy the home movie rental industry putting thousands out of work?
What about the Music industry too. Now that we can pay $1 for a song thats DL'd we no longer need music stores to sell us this commodity, how are those poor bastards going to feed their families?

Getting more on track, there has never been such a thing as a fair price on anything that comes down to intellectual property.
The music industry used to charge 2.95 for a music single. It now charges anywhere from 9 to 15 dollars, for a product that is cheaper to produce that the old vinyl every was.

I think that Sony will find it a losing idea in the long run. People will switch to other gaming consoles so they don't have to pay exhorbident prices for games. I sure don't see Sony making their PS games a cheaper price now that you would be unable to trade them in for resale.

Turook wrote: I think that Sony will find it a losing idea in the long run. People will switch to other gaming consoles so they don't have to pay exhorbident prices for games. I sure don't see Sony making their PS games a cheaper price now that you would be unable to trade them in for resale.

Just because Sony for once had an "original" idea, doesn't mean others won't follow suit. Especially due to the reasons noted above.

And regarding people losing jobs.. it's always the downside of business evolution, but just like when factories were modernised, people will find new jobs, if they really want to. I dunno about Aus, but Denmark is lacking a tremondous amount of educated people (engineers, nurses, doctors, social-workers etc. etc.), as well as regular craftsmen (masons, carpenters etc. etc.) and basicly the only thing keeping people unemployed today is either a) Laziness b) <insert valid reason #2, that I'm sure some lame socialworker could think of (like my sister)>.
But that's a whole different discussion I suppose

To be honest, its not that much of a jump from where we are now.

You do not own the software you install, you own a license to execute it. Its been that way pretty much forever, this is only the tiniest extra step in that direction.

Also, it is one thing to make a rule, quite another to enforce it. This will only stop major chains selling 2nd hand games. There will always be eBay, small stalls in markets etc.

MeloxXx

Melodionxxx wrote:Also, it is one thing to make a rule, quite another to enforce it. This will only stop major chains selling 2nd hand games. There will always be eBay, small stalls in markets etc.

MeloxXx

Easy way to fix that, there are now some games that you cannot play on a PC without registering them on the internet. I'm sure Sony can take this one step further by making us take their PS3 on the net to have to install every game and then keep an internet register of what games are installed on what identified sysytems.

Neither you or I really believe that tho eh Turook, enforced internet connection for a game console? Nah

MeloxXx

This is the way that large software companies like MS and Autodesk want to take software to, pretty much they want software-as-a-service. That is you log onto the PC and you pay for the time that you use the OS/Application instead of buying one licence for infinite time (thow some products do already have an expirey on a bought piece of software, student copies of 3DMax for one, the bastids).

Obviously this can be good and bad, but basically software companies want to be able to get more $$ from their software for the enhancements and fixes that they do to the software during it's lifespan. For the end user it can also be good and bad, obviously you automatically get to use new versions of the application without paying for a new software package, you also might save some $$ if you don't really use the application that much. Ultimately thow we would end paying more in the long run, and that kinda sucks.

As for what Sony wants to do I say it's a good idea if they can implement it in a way that it has zero impact on the original buyer (other than selling it). If my console breaks I want to be able to use the game on the next one etc, this thow can't be done on a physical medium, only an online platform like Steam can really do this properly. So why is it good? Well it gives more money back to developers and publishers so they can develop more and better games. And it stopes places like EB from absolutely ripping the hell out of their customers, trade in a game for $20 and they sell it for $10 under retail prices, for newer games thats upwards of $100, thats a pure $80 profit for EB with nothing going to the developers and the developers loosing out on a potential sale.

I really like the Steam platform, it was a great idea from Valve, my only grumble about it is that the games offered thrue it should be cheaper as it's maintained by Valve and not their publisher, which means more $$ goes to Valve, much like the digital downloads for EQ. Sadly thow the prices are pretty much the same as retail and we can miss out on small bonuses from getting it retail

Last word thow, you can bet your ass as soon as anyone figures out the best strategy for this that all console companies will adopt it in a heartbeat, eventhow they use the rumers to sully their competitors

And whatever smart scheme they come up with, there will always be pirates. Just look at the ultra high security installed in the new X-box... cracked and opened by geeks in what, a few months/weeks?

Adobe - cost sooo much to buy it
Autodesk - cost soooooo much more + rent the license

I do believe it took 6 weeks for the geeks to get linux working on an xbox